Author Topic: DID LACK OF ADVERSITY GO AGAINST JB MPIANA CAREER AND FANS EXPECTATIONS WISE  (Read 2558 times)

archos on: July 31, 2021, 10:08

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i was talking minutes ago with my big bro back in kin who is mbuta kiss second assistant and a couple of friends in a conference,and we were argueing about jb's career,as usual compared to the other big 4 members
most  went either for his loss of motivation due to early big money making and success,or for his visa issues,or for his family issues
and i raised something i have sometimes thought about  and this was my thought
papa wemba through multiple massive departure waves and had to take a challenge to resist,werra went through two big waves of musicians leaving,having him to take the challenge to prove that he can assemble again a strong maison mere,being already a guy whose post wenge 4X4 career was fuelled by the challenge of bouncing back
koffi had to face the wave of academia and the wave of ferre's arrival(even though it  lead to radical choice but still it was challenge for him to prove he can exist after them)
when i talk about adversity and jb i am not  talking about his rivalry with werra but finding himself in a challenge regarding his group
it has never happened,all those who left bcbg either left because he did not mind them leaving for his authority,or because they left and the week after it was already forgotten almost,no matter how influential the person was(perfect example is alain mpela,any of the other big 4 guys would organise reunion after reunion,make plans of poaching a guy from rival group to make up,but in bcbg it just went smooth
so i think the fact he never found himself under pressure to do something to save his group lead to all those holes  in his image especially with europe young fans,as he never felt the pressure to adjust to demand of young fanbase in a reshaping process
unlike all the other big 4 members who all had to look for profiles of artists to recreate a collective image after losing against their will many talents

CM PRINCE #1 on: August 02, 2021, 21:10

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Jb's the type of person that didn't need to work as hard as the next person in music because he has natural talent and natural star power so it's obvious he lost motivation early on due to money and also having a lot of yes men and yes fans around him who baby him.
About departures as you rightfully said Jb's never had a mass departure to affect him especially in his prime because with Koffi and Werra when Academia was formed that's 7 key members that left and with the danger de mort team same thing Fally, Ferre, Mirage, Jipson, Junior, Apocalypse, all left at the same time then closely followed suit by Soleil, Bouro, Titina, Modogo.
With Werra he had the Wenge split and the departure of Les Marquis, or even Wazekwa when Joss and co went to QL. So Jb's never had that pressure because no one left him at the same time, because if you think about it when a proper influential member leaves the group it's sad but it doesn't affect the group long term that's why Jb's never really felt it.

Wenge1995 #2 on: August 02, 2021, 23:04

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Jb's the type of person that didn't need to work as hard as the next person in music because he has natural talent and natural star power so it's obvious he lost motivation early on due to money and also having a lot of yes men and yes fans around him who baby him.
About departures as you rightfully said Jb's never had a mass departure to affect him especially in his prime because with Koffi and Werra when Academia was formed that's 7 key members that left and with the danger de mort team same thing Fally, Ferre, Mirage, Jipson, Junior, Apocalypse, all left at the same time then closely followed suit by Soleil, Bouro, Titina, Modogo.
With Werra he had the Wenge split and the departure of Les Marquis, or even Wazekwa when Joss and co went to QL. So Jb's never had that pressure because no one left him at the same time, because if you think about it when a proper influential member leaves the group it's sad but it doesn't affect the group long term that's why Jb's never really felt it.

But didn't JB Mpiana go through a big disappointment losing Alain Mpela? True, it's not the same as Les Marquis or Academia, but to continue without his right-hand man seemed very tough to handle. Also the ngulu affaire slowed up their ability to tour and record in Europe

CM PRINCE #3 on: August 02, 2021, 23:52

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Jb's the type of person that didn't need to work as hard as the next person in music because he has natural talent and natural star power so it's obvious he lost motivation early on due to money and also having a lot of yes men and yes fans around him who baby him.
About departures as you rightfully said Jb's never had a mass departure to affect him especially in his prime because with Koffi and Werra when Academia was formed that's 7 key members that left and with the danger de mort team same thing Fally, Ferre, Mirage, Jipson, Junior, Apocalypse, all left at the same time then closely followed suit by Soleil, Bouro, Titina, Modogo.
With Werra he had the Wenge split and the departure of Les Marquis, or even Wazekwa when Joss and co went to QL. So Jb's never had that pressure because no one left him at the same time, because if you think about it when a proper influential member leaves the group it's sad but it doesn't affect the group long term that's why Jb's never really felt it.

But didn't JB Mpiana go through a big disappointment losing Alain Mpela? True, it's not the same as Les Marquis or Academia, but to continue without his right-hand man seemed very tough to handle. Also the ngulu affaire slowed up their ability to tour and record in Europe
Archos already said in Bcbg a week after you leave it's already forgotten about now matter how big and influential you are because he already lost Titina a couple of years before that and also lost Blaise, Makaba, and Aimelia all in the same year but he didn't really care as much. Like I said losing more than 3 key members at the the same time is worse than losing one, because you can find someone to replace that role, people thought Koffi and Werra were finished when Academia and Les Marquis were formed

bencuri #4 on: August 03, 2021, 01:09

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For me all these people were big until 1997. That's why, my answer to this question is that: the reason is that they were not together any more after the split.

archos #5 on: August 03, 2021, 09:09

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Jb's the type of person that didn't need to work as hard as the next person in music because he has natural talent and natural star power so it's obvious he lost motivation early on due to money and also having a lot of yes men and yes fans around him who baby him.
About departures as you rightfully said Jb's never had a mass departure to affect him especially in his prime because with Koffi and Werra when Academia was formed that's 7 key members that left and with the danger de mort team same thing Fally, Ferre, Mirage, Jipson, Junior, Apocalypse, all left at the same time then closely followed suit by Soleil, Bouro, Titina, Modogo.
With Werra he had the Wenge split and the departure of Les Marquis, or even Wazekwa when Joss and co went to QL. So Jb's never had that pressure because no one left him at the same time, because if you think about it when a proper influential member leaves the group it's sad but it doesn't affect the group long term that's why Jb's never really felt it.

But didn't JB Mpiana go through a big disappointment losing Alain Mpela? True, it's not the same as Les Marquis or Academia, but to continue without his right-hand man seemed very tough to handle. Also the ngulu affaire slowed up their ability to tour and record in Europe
Archos already said in Bcbg a week after you leave it's already forgotten about now matter how big and influential you are because he already lost Titina a couple of years before that and also lost Blaise, Makaba, and Aimelia all in the same year but he didn't really care as much. Like I said losing more than 3 key members at the the same time is worse than losing one, because you can find someone to replace that role, people thought Koffi and Werra were finished when Academia and Les Marquis were formed

exactly,when he lost makaba he had a mbokaliya on fire and ficarré,when he lost titina seguin was still playing constantly well and champion arrived,when he lost alain mpela there was already jdl studying mpela for years,when he lost blaise there was kibens ,aimelia there was chai
even though none of those replacement is better than the original,and that he surely had deep down some emotion especially with guys like titina and alain mpela who became little brothers,he did not have the time to panick and feel in danger and organise casting to replace them outside the musicians he had at his disposal
panick does not exist in jb's language until today anyways lol,man thinks he can control everything