I gave up on Ferre long time ago, this man lacks vision and just doesn’t know what to do or what direction to take with his career

Bro what should have beenfor you the right vision and direction for his career?

He needed to be more open and get out of the comfort zone and try something different other than always doing rumba. From  the get go he should of done features with outsiders and have vision of spreading his music beyond congo. The reason why Fally has left him behind is because the man had a vision  from the day he left Koffi and you can see that on his first album and we all saw  the result. Fally has basically surpassed the whole clan wenge in terms of success and in Congo the only one he hasn’t yet it’s Koffi. Ferre in the other hand can’t seem to stick to anything. He needs to do more features with other artist and stop making that odemba rubbish, it’s boring.

About the Maison Mere QL I think that he should do a part with Wenge  with a three generique Two Bill Celeo togheter ono Bill alone and the other one Celeo alone plus making a due with all the guys he was with in Maison Mere same for QL make a Generiuqe with Brigade and Ker9 togheter then Brigiade alone Kero alone and then do a feat with all the QL guys and yes Fally include I think Fally Ferre working togheter would be the treated thing ever but I know it won't happen

Ndeko its already complicated and your suggestion makes it even more complex. 

Lol,  I just want Ferre to do things right but even Deppock understood how to use social media, Robinio, Fabregas everybody except Ferre, he doesn't really know how to create buzz despite the talent (also because his staff is completely incompetent) so might as well do a massive project so people will be interested

I gave up on Ferre long time ago, this man lacks vision and just doesn’t know what to do or what direction to take with his career

Bro what should have beenfor you the right vision and direction for his career?

He needed to be more open and get out of the comfort zone and try something different other than always doing rumba. From  the get go he should of done features with outsiders and have vision of spreading his music beyond congo. The reason why Fally has left him behind is because the man had a vision  from the day he left Koffi and you can see that on his first album and we all saw  the result. Fally has basically surpassed the whole clan wenge in terms of success and in Congo the only one he hasn’t yet it’s Koffi. Ferre in the other hand can’t seem to stick to anything. He needs to do more features with other artist and stop making that odemba rubbish, it’s boring.

He surpassed Koffi big time, it is just that he had never had songs like Futa Djallon and other classics loke Koffi have done that's why people in Congo still see him below Koffi but tbh despite me being a Maison Mere Fan Fally totally revolutionized Congolese music and until few years ago he was actually trying to expand everywhere while now he us just being lazy cause he feels that he have reached his peek

I gave up on Ferre long time ago, this man lacks vision and just doesn’t know what to do or what direction to take with his career

Bro what should have beenfor you the right vision and direction for his career?

He needed to be more open and get out of the comfort zone and try something different other than always doing rumba. From  the get go he should of done features with outsiders and have vision of spreading his music beyond congo. The reason why Fally has left him behind is because the man had a vision  from the day he left Koffi and you can see that on his first album and we all saw  the result. Fally has basically surpassed the whole clan wenge in terms of success and in Congo the only one he hasn’t yet it’s Koffi. Ferre in the other hand can’t seem to stick to anything. He needs to do more features with other artist and stop making that odemba rubbish, it’s boring.

I get you bro but if you go back to the years he had actually done feats in his early career,i believe deep down having the wenge experience he was thinking they'd replicate some sort of jb werra rivalry with kinshasa having a vital role and being a mirror for contracts abroad and it kinda started like that but then he did not adapt to the switch which started happing at the bounce of the 2010's where other music of africa became very competitive forcing congolese artists to either go for feats with them or making easy dance songs to be put on the map along with the azonto,gweta,sitya loss and co while ferre was still on plan a be strong in kinshasa then perform a bit abroad but sticking  to the music he is comfortable with
this issue is a bit tricky because its not only criticism towards ferre but criticism also because of somebody else who is fally,if fally's career was different the criticism would be also different
one has had all his career always surrounded by producers,managers who either followed his vision or gave him new things to learn knowing it would serve giving an edge,the other has had for most of his career self production congolese type of management  marked by eternal internal conflict making it toxic for an artist to blossom and for any very professional person to survive around long term
that being said,it undeniable that ferre's career has not been better because he did not want to fully do what the game required because he was never used to be directed too much by anybody other than his previous leaders,he wanted too much to stick to plan a talent and let luck do the rest,while we are in an era where somebody can sing like a strangled squirrel and be super popular because he has x factor and good formula adapted to the game
also for example he was leaving gaps between his albums,which fally was using for those viral easy dance songs,while him at best he would do a generique here and there once in a while,if you look at most of his transition generiques or half it made views but not like a easy viral song because that formula of seben its mainly congolese people who understand it easily
on the other hand my man ipupa would make his dance songs start in french with those moan sounds and  gimmicks lol then progressively kick into dancing parts(best example original),the structure makes it easier to swallow for somebody not expert of hard hitting generique like ferre's boss
if anything the whole recent career of fally is all about the structure of songs,while ferre wanted to challenge himself in various type of arrangement
like a friend of mine says "today's music does not need mathematics,just make it catchy"

also one thing which did not go in favour of ferre,the way he was so demanding or so neglecting of trips abroad,for example in 16 years jetset has never gone on the american continent as far as i can remember while there was opportunities even for nothing,in congolese music at some of point of popularity  you can even bring your group to europe for nothing serious(its a bit more difficult in recent years but still) and the way he neglected many awards offers and tips how to connect to them how to "buy" some to boost the cv,many calls for feats... technically he went for the oldschool "nga naza grand pretre" mentality so its you who decide to do things when you want
on the other hand,fally accepted to make himself "yuma" to learn every single trick possible to boost career and impress people  then once he realised  that he had cemented something strong, developped a very strong arrogant "grand pretre" mentality and since it is backed with big legacy a lot of people either dont notice it or play it down whereas ferre with the holes he's had  in parts of his career every single bad thing happening is taken to bigger dimension,look for example at the meltdown after haya mvita left  because she was not getting full control she wanted because of interference of other people who are fearing to lose some power,it happens everywhere in the world even in sport with agents and families and friends but since ferre's career has been constant up stall down up stall down it almost made some people question seriously whether they should still care about ferre

Only Ferre can change all these bad management. He needs to adapt or he will be left behind further and further away. It’s now embarrassing to compare Ferre and Fally.

hundred per cent bro,honestly speaking apart from that if i was him i would settle in another african country for a year,the congolese context is too toxic for him,between the fans who he has disappointed or who have developed some sort of mini hate/reject towards him because they've been hurt too much of "looking like fools" in the banter and comparison with fally,and those who do not like him for x reason or those who never liked him in the first place like the warriors
his prison case speaks a lot,when you attract almost no external sympathy(i mean from those  who it would be the most surprising from to sympathize) and when being in prison then under a deadline before leaving the country and the criticism has not slowed one bit before during and after the prison,it shows that the guy has to move mountains to reclaim some proper respect
if i was him i would settle in ivory coast for example,accept a bit of the commercial music make dance feats,along with the odemba thing for the home listeners(those who are not into partying life and need relaxing music) ,tour in africa for a year or something then come back to congo having been a bit forgotten and given a bit of a clean slate
as it stands,there is way too much toxicity around him to make a proper proper impact,there is always something they find to minimize his efforts or something he "offers" with his difficulty to be totally flexible

hundred per cent bro,honestly speaking apart from that if i was him i would settle in another african country for a year,the congolese context is too toxic for him,between the fans who he has disappointed or who have developed some sort of mini hate/reject towards him because they've been hurt too much of "looking like fools" in the banter and comparison with fally,and those who do not like him for x reason or those who never liked him in the first place like the warriors
his prison case speaks a lot,when you attract almost no external sympathy(i mean from those  who it would be the most surprising from to sympathize) and when being in prison then under a deadline before leaving the country and the criticism has not slowed one bit before during and after the prison,it shows that the guy has to move mountains to reclaim some proper respect
if i was him i would settle in ivory coast for example,accept a bit of the commercial music make dance feats,along with the odemba thing for the home listeners(those who are not into partying life and need relaxing music) ,tour in africa for a year or something then come back to congo having been a bit forgotten and given a bit of a clean slate
as it stands,there is way too much toxicity around him to make a proper proper impact,there is always something they find to minimize his efforts or something he "offers" with his difficulty to be totally flexible

Settling in a another country will definitely be the end and bury him bro.

yeah you are right because it can be interpreted as weakness and running away,but at the same time,it will take a LOT of effort to become the ferre people expect,for example he'd have to do like wata towards nsone as one of the many points which can change his perception,whereas the fact he is likely inviting koffi i am sure some are seen it like a piss take towards clan wenge

yeah you are right because it can be interpreted as weakness and running away,but at the same time,it will take a LOT of effort to become the ferre people expect,for example he'd have to do like wata towards nsone as one of the many points which can change his perception,whereas the fact he is likely inviting koffi i am sure some are seen it like a piss take towards clan wenge

Exactly, decisions like this. Ain’t Koffi the same person who got him arrested at one point during the premier soin beef. So he can forgive Koffi but not Werra lol…This man is a complete lost cause, I really think he’s a retard.

Also him inviting Koffi could be seen as sticking a middle finger at the Wenge elders for continuously calling Heritier the heir to the Wenge throne and the last child of Wenge rubbish

Also him inviting Koffi could be seen as sticking a middle finger at the Wenge elders for continuously calling Heritier the heir to the Wenge throne and the last child of Wenge rubbish

Instead of just ignoring it and carry on minding his business and humble himself but he tries to get himself into shit that just gives more power to his rivals. First he got Wenge MM to back Fally and we all know how that helped the Fally we now have and now he’s going to do the same for Wata…smh

With Koffi barely using his singing voice nowadays, why is Ferre going all the trouble (literally) to get him as a featuring? To do mabanga or what?

Only Ferre can change all these bad management. He needs to adapt or he will be left behind further and further away. It’s now embarrassing to compare Ferre and Fally.

Bro - I used to be one of the guys defending Ferre's cause when all the musical simpletons swore up and down Fally was the best of his generation, but I can no longer do it if the man himself has no backbone to defend himself..... or surround with people that can help him make educated decisions.

werra's case is complex in both parts,they try to be closer but there is always something which comes to mess it,i spoke last year with a deep insider of the clan and he was saying that their thing needs to really unlockfrom a spiritual point,physically they have both tried to make it work but there is always something of their past troublesome relationship blocking the way
and ferre is clearly not the type to accept to go through further humiliation having to suck it up,he wants them to meet and look at each other face to face like men and werra either is not the type to pamper ferre like a little baby following him around to meet
he wants ferre to come and be a good children in front of him and mampata
i believe that dernier fils thing escalated also due to the fact he was in prison and it happened at 4X4 with somebody who has always had a tendency to revive the competition he was put on against ferre as a stepping stone and whenever he does well he is talked about a guy "replacing" ferre in the game and he looooooves that and the ferre guys were already nervous and heated
to make it worse he got told that some of the 4X4 leaders said "toko diminuer petit wana" by those who went to kin for the event(press and co)
i think to make it simple,ferre has to be a "good hypocrite" for the sake of the game because what puts him in trouble is that he is too real at times with the behind the scenes,he should seek lessons from his petit fabro lol
the man can literally crawl for you on tv to show how polite and devoted he is but in the same minute he is sending gangsters to attack you physically or by message threats or observe how fally and koffi literally play a whole game,they can have the best and the worst times but none of them really puts the other into a very clear long declaration of war knowing its bad for their images,

yeah bro matebu he needs to start making "decisions" so far his career relies too much on the "too authentic" posture
like a friend says,people actually enjoy being lied to  at times to love you more
he should definitely take a couple of "political" lessons from fabro and heritier who have managed with their ability to be the H word well lol to get away from that usual toxic wenge climate and kind of improved their image
as a younger brother deplick is having a similar problem he does not know how to fake to attract more sympathy