Author Topic: How would Kibuisa Mpimpa been with Wenge 4x4 ?  (Read 3091 times)

Mwanayaafrica #15 on: March 15, 2023, 16:59

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It thought that the question was about the conflict of Werrason against JB Mpiana. About the money it already started a long time again. After the 1990-91 tour, many musicians were unhappy about not paid well including JB Mpiana and Alain Makaba himself. JB Mpiana didn't mind, but Alain Makaba was really dissapointed because he had done hard work during the recordings of the album and also concerts because rhythm player Collegien ran away after 2 concerts. His uncle wanted him to stay in Europe to study music, but Makaba was first against it and being eager to return back. After that dissapointed he ended up by following his uncle's advice and went to settle in London. When Wenge came back in 1992 for a tour he joined them and participated to the recordings of Pleins Feux and Kalayi Boeing. At the end of tour many musicians were fustrated for not being paid well while the tour being a big succes, musicians like Désire Kalala and Don Pierrot Mbonda decided to stay. Alain Makaba was also mad because he also not paid well by the admins. In opinion of the admins, Makaba hadn't the right to be paid like them because he was in Europe while they were suffering in Kinshasa. Makaba then threatened to erase all his work in Kalayi Boeing & Pleins Feux and not return back to Kinshasa with them which scared the admins and made them pay more money.

I don't remember if it was the tour of 1994 or that of 1995. I think the one of 1995 and when the tour ended, one of the admins claimed that all the money got stolen by new jack gangsters in Brussels and the musicians couldn't pay. But the 3 admins ended up by buying mercedes benz cars
Who were the admins at the time?

archos #16 on: March 15, 2023, 17:07

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it was jb werra alain makaba and masela,but it stayed more often like jb werra and masela since makaba rarely spent two years fully in the group since he settled in europe from early 1990's

Mfumu Vata #17 on: March 15, 2023, 22:36

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About the problems of money, Makaba & JB Mpiana themselves weren't saint. The musicians that followed them in Wenge BCBG thought that they would getting paid well after the experience they got in Kenya where they got paid by Makaba (this incident was one of the main incidents that created the split of Wenge). But when the tour ended they got peannuts all almost everybody being unhappy. Guys like Alain Mpela and Aimelia being frustrated. In 1999 the same thing happened and rumors being spread that Tutu Kaluji and Alain Mpela were about to leave (BCBG fanatics always claim that Tutu was manipulated by Aimelia) because of the way they were mad about the small amount of money they received despite the hard work they did at Zenith, Olympia and the first part of TH recordings. But influent donors and fans shorted it out quickly and they ended up by returning to Kinshasa and perform at Stade des Martyrs.

archos #18 on: March 15, 2023, 22:46

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makaba strongly lost influence with all his stays in europe,he was not allowed to control finances section anymore it was given to mbuta kiss and ficarre on that tour staff people got way more money than any musician including ficarre despite being financial director,after titanic he was technically just a chef for being a chef with nio power

Wenge1995 #19 on: March 15, 2023, 23:22

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About the problems of money, Makaba & JB Mpiana themselves weren't saint. The musicians that followed them in Wenge BCBG thought that they would getting paid well after the experience they got in Kenya where they got paid by Makaba (this incident was one of the main incidents that created the split of Wenge). But when the tour ended they got peannuts all almost everybody being unhappy. Guys like Alain Mpela and Aimelia being frustrated. In 1999 the same thing happened and rumors being spread that Tutu Kaluji and Alain Mpela were about to leave (BCBG fanatics always claim that Tutu was manipulated by Aimelia) because of the way they were mad about the small amount of money they received despite the hard work they did at Zenith, Olympia and the first part of TH recordings. But influent donors and fans shorted it out quickly and they ended up by returning to Kinshasa and perform at Stade des Martyrs.

If you had to choose between BCBG and Masion Mere, which group was worse about paying musicians? In my opinion, Werrason is worse because he lost more musicians for that reason that JB Mpiana. JDL, Kibens, and Seguin are still there after all these years. I don't think there's anyone in Masion Mere that has lasted as long as Heritier or Kakol, everyone generally left because of money

Manzambi94 #20 on: March 16, 2023, 01:10

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About the problems of money, Makaba & JB Mpiana themselves weren't saint. The musicians that followed them in Wenge BCBG thought that they would getting paid well after the experience they got in Kenya where they got paid by Makaba (this incident was one of the main incidents that created the split of Wenge). But when the tour ended they got peannuts all almost everybody being unhappy. Guys like Alain Mpela and Aimelia being frustrated. In 1999 the same thing happened and rumors being spread that Tutu Kaluji and Alain Mpela were about to leave (BCBG fanatics always claim that Tutu was manipulated by Aimelia) because of the way they were mad about the small amount of money they received despite the hard work they did at Zenith, Olympia and the first part of TH recordings. But influent donors and fans shorted it out quickly and they ended up by returning to Kinshasa and perform at Stade des Martyrs.

If you had to choose between BCBG and Masion Mere, which group was worse about paying musicians? In my opinion, Werrason is worse because he lost more musicians for that reason that JB Mpiana. JDL, Kibens, and Seguin are still there after all these years. I don't think there's anyone in Masion Mere that has lasted as long as Heritier or Kakol, everyone generally left because of money

Mmm tbh I don't think anyone from the original camp or even those who came after loke Ferre, Bill, JDT, for Werra or Tutu Caludji, etc. Of Bcbg could have predicted that Werra's children would dominate the Congolese music industry if we are talking about Ndombolo is like the world cup you know will partecipate but hardly you know who will win, like they didn't know that JB would be the one paying good and werra the Maboko Makasi one also who could have rpedicted that most of Werra's Childrenc would become the successful ones? It is crazy because even if now Lacoste seems like a crazy old guy rafting about things he had a very good run after he left Werra when he put that Medicament song ans made his solo career with C'est Par La La Solitoom, and introduce (well didn't it riduce because it was something Ba Mongo, Folklore group who is believe to be the original Batu Ya Mangala the guys who speak Lingala, used to play a lot especially RIP Mabele Elisi with Mimi Mongo)






Man imagine this song coming out now with The Success of Bokoko and everything if people liked it then imagine bow.






With that said I think that Werra not paying any of those guys kinda became a blessing in disguise for them because if you think about it Bill got a very lucrative contract with Skol and has had some success in his solo career and his lack of a steady solo success is due to his bigheadedness and the believe that he doesn't need to work like he used to do in Maison Mere




Celeo also had some hits from the recent Kombe Kombe to Wenze Ya Minzemba


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