Author Topic: IS SEBENE DYING?  (Read 506 times)

CM PRINCE #15 on: June 18, 2025, 19:26

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We the fans also don't know what we want. Lol
Why is it that we sleep on recent albums that has sebene. Case in point 242 album by Extra Musica had a number of sebene songs, Vision album by Nouvele Horizon is has about 3 sebene songs. Same with JB'S Balle de Match album it has some pretty good sebenes but we don't talk about them. It's almost like they don't exist. Maybe that's the reason Balle de Match got that Disc D'or recently because its kind of different from other recent releases.
Me personally I don’t listen to Extra Musica or Nouvelle Horizon and apart from this forum in real life I don’t know many people that do lol so that’s a different comparison. Balle De Match I listen to those Sebene songs but the album itself wasn’t well promoted apart from Zebuka, I mean how many clips from that album came out? 

jordanlumbala101 #16 on: June 18, 2025, 19:53

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Only 4 clips came out

Cavalier Solitaire #17 on: June 18, 2025, 20:05

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We the fans also don't know what we want. Lol
Why is it that we sleep on recent albums that has sebene. Case in point 242 album by Extra Musica had a number of sebene songs, Vision album by Nouvele Horizon is has about 3 sebene songs. Same with JB'S Balle de Match album it has some pretty good sebenes but we don't talk about them. It's almost like they don't exist. Maybe that's the reason Balle de Match got that Disc D'or recently because its kind of different from other recent releases.
Me personally I don’t listen to Extra Musica or Nouvelle Horizon and apart from this forum in real life I don’t know many people that do lol so that’s a different comparison. Balle De Match I listen to those Sebene songs but the album itself wasn’t well promoted apart from Zebuka, I mean how many clips from that album came out?
I hear you on the promotion of Balle de Match but my comment was based off the fact that it doesn't matter the promotion people would still prefer Mayday or Visa over  Ainsi dit L'eternel of BCBG. This is because that's what the leaders of the current generation are giving us.

Seben_Maniac #18 on: June 18, 2025, 23:23

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It’s not just about creating sebene songs. It’s about creating GOOD sebene songs. Most of the few that came out in the last few years are just okay.

Sydo #19 on: June 18, 2025, 23:40

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We the fans also don't know what we want. Lol
Why is it that we sleep on recent albums that has sebene. Case in point 242 album by Extra Musica had a number of sebene songs, Vision album by Nouvele Horizon is has about 3 sebene songs. Same with JB'S Balle de Match album it has some pretty good sebenes but we don't talk about them. It's almost like they don't exist. Maybe that's the reason Balle de Match got that Disc D'or recently because its kind of different from other recent releases.

Those are albums that I listen recurrently. But we need more like these.
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philipkafuto #20 on: June 19, 2025, 01:05

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I have a couple points to touch on regarding this topic:

The truth is not that sebene is completely dead it’s just not as popular secularly anymore. If you go on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube it’s still pretty popular with the youth and there are a lot of young guitarist learning to play different instruments even foreign kids (including myself). The fact of the matter is the legacy of Sebene is carried on in the diaspora with the gospel groups. Even gospel groups in Congo can’t play to the level as the newer groups in France, Belgium etc. They opt to play a style widely regarded to as Feeling popularized by Michel Bakenda and others. The best sebene and in my humble opinion Congolese instrumentalist are in the diaspora in 2025. For example:

The best guitarist in this moment who has influenced a whole new generation with his style and creativity is Manasse Imengo (son of Golly Imengo) based in Paris. He is celebrated by my generation to the extent that his guitar and his sound are an extremely sought after. He has been acknowledged by the likes of Japonais and others.



The best drummer who has also had the same influence as Manasse is Thierry Cap’s based out of Europe as well. He has influenced a whole generation as well with his style to the extent that there are young drummers that use his name or add it to theirs. He has been acknowledged by Papy Kakol who is regarded to by some as the best ever.



There are many others including bass, rhythm guitarist, pianiste, conga players that have also made a big impact.

For Example:
Christian Bombole (Airbag)🎸:

Jox Diangituka🎸:

Pooloow (Paul Kabeya)🎸:

Chalom Matondo🎸🎹:

Kenaan Bass🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSah43h4/
Max Maxwell🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSahu2C3/
HNK Solo🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSahbMD5/
Chvrlux Solo🎸;
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSahVq6v/
Manu Swing🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakrN9B/
Jordy🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSak1Vwt/
NK Drum 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakSDwj/
Nathan Pongo 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakhxgE/
Jemira Mawete 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakBQan/
Dordin Rickason 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSahKd5P/
Nathan le Noir 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakr3UU/
Lenny Anderson 🥁:

La Criim 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSaky2jN/
Etinho Synthé🎹:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakV9bG/
Abdias Synthaboi🎹:

Beni Mabika🎹:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakVH3W/
and many more…

Their influence has reached beyond borders and nationalities reaching to Nigerians, South Sudan, Tanzania, Zambia and more. I think this reach has the potential of taking sebene back to its glory days through other avenues.



Sydo #21 on: June 19, 2025, 12:19

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I have a couple points to touch on regarding this topic:

The truth is not that sebene is completely dead it’s just not as popular secularly anymore. If you go on TikTok, Instagram and YouTube it’s still pretty popular with the youth and there are a lot of young guitarist learning to play different instruments even foreign kids (including myself). The fact of the matter is the legacy of Sebene is carried on in the diaspora with the gospel groups. Even gospel groups in Congo can’t play to the level as the newer groups in France, Belgium etc. They opt to play a style widely regarded to as Feeling popularized by Michel Bakenda and others. The best sebene and in my humble opinion Congolese instrumentalist are in the diaspora in 2025. For example:

The best guitarist in this moment who has influenced a whole new generation with his style and creativity is Manasse Imengo (son of Golly Imengo) based in Paris. He is celebrated by my generation to the extent that his guitar and his sound are an extremely sought after. He has been acknowledged by the likes of Japonais and others.



The best drummer who has also had the same influence as Manasse is Thierry Cap’s based out of Europe as well. He has influenced a whole generation as well with his style to the extent that there are young drummers that use his name or add it to theirs. He has been acknowledged by Papy Kakol who is regarded to by some as the best ever.



There are many others including bass, rhythm guitarist, pianiste, conga players that have also made a big impact.

For Example:
Christian Bombole (Airbag)🎸:

Jox Diangituka🎸:

Pooloow (Paul Kabeya)🎸:

Chalom Matondo🎸🎹:

Kenaan Bass🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSah43h4/
Max Maxwell🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSahu2C3/
HNK Solo🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSahbMD5/
Chvrlux Solo🎸;
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSahVq6v/
Manu Swing🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakrN9B/
Jordy🎸:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSak1Vwt/
NK Drum 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakSDwj/
Nathan Pongo 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakhxgE/
Jemira Mawete 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakBQan/
Dordin Rickason 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSahKd5P/
Nathan le Noir 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakr3UU/
Lenny Anderson 🥁:

La Criim 🥁:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSaky2jN/
Etinho Synthé🎹:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakV9bG/
Abdias Synthaboi🎹:

Beni Mabika🎹:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSakVH3W/
and many more…

Their influence has reached beyond borders and nationalities reaching to Nigerians, South Sudan, Tanzania, Zambia and more. I think this reach has the potential of taking sebene back to its glory days through other avenues.

I respect the diaspora's enthusiasm for keeping sebene alive, but almost everyone plays exactly the same style of sebene. There's no personal touch anymore. Whether it's gospel groups or secular groups that go viral on TikTok, it's all starting to sound like copy-and-paste. Back in the golden age, every band had its own flavor, every guitarist his own identity. Nowadays, you can change guitarists from one band to the next without the difference being noticeable. There's no risk, no surprise, no personality. And it's even become slow; I don't feel any punch anymore.

Formerly Musiquezairoise