they were good in doing it but only for themselves,and the current solo artist model is exactly built on that i was not paid enough in bands so i'll do my best to try to be a millionaire quick by conning my band members

i also suspect that the solo trend is killing the genre.

You need a band to make proper rumba. That's why a lot of these solo artists are doing some type or urban cooked by the engineer.

To me, I might be wrong, rumba is like jazz, rock or reggae, you need a band. It can't be built on a bunch of solo artists. You need bands to create the sounds, solo artist can then catch on later, like it was in the 80's.

It's crazy there is basically no active heir to Ferre and Fally. If these two guys die today, the genre is basically gone on a mainstream level

I agree with everything you said. You have to blame Fally for this one then Ferre right after because Fally literally said it’s time for genuine solo artists who don’t need to operate the typical Congo way which made plenty of artists follow suit. For example they don’t even get their singers to do chorus for them anymore most of the time they do it themselves.

Fally and Ferre need a musical and heir and fast I thought Prince Babia could’ve been the next one but I don’t know. Maybe JR 33 because he’s showing similarities to Fally but again I’m not so sure.
The other problem that we ignored was the concert ban which affected everyone because it was hard for band members to get exposure and a fan base in Europe. Imagine if the Europe ban was affective in the late 90s and early 2000s I don’t think Fally and Ferre would’ve been as big as they are now, because Europe gives you more confidence.

the problem about prince babia is that he is trying to be a carbon copy of fally,that is the worse way to earn your name on the biggest stage,even his likeness to his father is relegated to second position,listen to him in interviews,you'll easily understand that all his plan lies on fally giving him the hand and him  going to europe then starting to get feats access to the franco african guys due to loyalty like gaz mawete and that he wont collaborate with anybody who is not aligned with his papa leki/idol even if it where beneficial to him
he is limiting himself alone,because at the end even if he gets what he expects from fally,his progression will be under close control
this is where i respect deplick a lot even though he is close to ferre,you'll never hear from him any allusion like waiting for the big bro to serve it to you on a plate,he grabs what he can,then tries to develop slowly on his own since he had to start almost from scratch when his solo career went down

yeah and like you said,about the concert ban,fally managed to cement his foundations of his current mainstream presence in several countries,when nobody was even trying to take bands to europe or perform anymore,he was manageing to sneak into something here and there even paying many combattants who either helped him or "betrayed" him and that prestige of europe would help him start to raise considerably his contract conditions for a concert in africa,the only effect the ban ever had on him is not playing bercy earlier,but at the end of the day it also helped him somehow,he went for bercy and co with a much much more solified mainstream fanbase and presence than then,which helped the cause
ferre on the reverse tried the low profile against combattants approach and did not perform for 15 years almost and it affected also his growth somehow,instead of moving to a relentless tour rhythm like it became the norm for popular or mainstream artists(with the arrival of the african universal sony and co)he'd then perform a couple then refuse a couple because  contract conditions are estimated to be too high
especially on ferre's side the group did not benefit,chikito nicodem and co until the likes of arnake  either toured once or twice only,or not at all because the ban started already,maybe nicodem and co would have then gone solo straight from ferre's band if they kept having the confidence boost of europe tours
another thing i would have loved to see,is a competitive kinshasa market for them like koffi jb werra and co had,they only had glimpses of it here and there,as a collateral consequence of europe ban aswell

the problem about prince babia is that he is trying to be a carbon copy of fally,that is the worse way to earn your name on the biggest stage,even his likeness to his father is relegated to second position,listen to him in interviews,you'll easily understand that all his plan lies on fally giving him the hand and him  going to europe then starting to get feats access to the franco african guys due to loyalty like gaz mawete and that he wont collaborate with anybody who is not aligned with his papa leki/idol even if it where beneficial to him
he is limiting himself alone,because at the end even if he gets what he expects from fally,his progression will be under close control
this is where i respect deplick a lot even though he is close to ferre,you'll never hear from him any allusion like waiting for the big bro to serve it to you on a plate,he grabs what he can,then tries to develop slowly on his own since he had to start almost from scratch when his solo career went down

Doesn't Prince Babia know the story of struggle it took to achieve solo success for Ferre, Fally, Fabregas, and Heritier? As much as CNN, Brigade Sarbati, and initially Celeo Scram have tried to build a rapport with Fally, but Fally doesn't really reciprocate his aura to boost their careers.

If I'm not mistaken, Papa Wemba was the last major artist to explicitly boost his musicians by allowing solo albums – Reddy Amisi, Stino Mbui, Luciana Demingongo, ect.

I'm pretty sure Fally is paying Prince Babia behind the scenes, because how is the guy providing for himself? He's been singing professionally since 2013/14 but no album...just a song or two per year.

the problem about prince babia is that he is trying to be a carbon copy of fally,that is the worse way to earn your name on the biggest stage,even his likeness to his father is relegated to second position,listen to him in interviews,you'll easily understand that all his plan lies on fally giving him the hand and him  going to europe then starting to get feats access to the franco african guys due to loyalty like gaz mawete and that he wont collaborate with anybody who is not aligned with his papa leki/idol even if it where beneficial to him
he is limiting himself alone,because at the end even if he gets what he expects from fally,his progression will be under close control
this is where i respect deplick a lot even though he is close to ferre,you'll never hear from him any allusion like waiting for the big bro to serve it to you on a plate,he grabs what he can,then tries to develop slowly on his own since he had to start almost from scratch when his solo career went down

Doesn't Prince Babia know the story of struggle it took to achieve solo success for Ferre, Fally, Fabregas, and Heritier? As much as CNN, Brigade Sarbati, and initially Celeo Scram have tried to build a rapport with Fally, but Fally doesn't really reciprocate his aura to boost their careers.

If I'm not mistaken, Papa Wemba was the last major artist to explicitly boost his musicians by allowing solo albums – Reddy Amisi, Stino Mbui, Luciana Demingongo, ect.

I'm pretty sure Fally is paying Prince Babia behind the scenes, because how is the guy providing for himself? He's been singing professionally since 2013/14 but no album...just a song or two per year.

Fally helped with getting Brigade that feature with Dadju, he just didn’t capitalise from it there’s only so much Fally could do but it’s up to you to make it work. With Celeo by the time Fally had a strong aura him and Celeo already fell out, but he did give him a feature on his first album.

I think the financial part of what he got with the dadju feat,and what he partly got with the jungeli sample moved his focus elsewhere,he invested into business,and knows that he is bound to a big hall appearance every now and then with them so he finds himself on more red carpets and big halls than most without an active career
talking about celeo,all those musicians close to fally who have all attacked him over the years dont know that most of them are there only because celeo backed out from what would have been his long term role,if he had gotten his visa for zenith 2010 and stayed loyal until when fally started sneaking into the french industry he'd be and by far the most privileged of them all(and ironically enough he might have kept his old shape and energy which matched to perfection that spirit of "ba petit ya cité" who are now the dadju,franglish,chily and co)
the same celeo now says that he got denied feats because those guys ask for fally's opinion first not as a permission like the kin based guys but some sort of expert's view like what can the feat bring to both,as fally is some sort of "bridge" between them guys and the kinshasa artists(you'll notice though that those guys all respect innoss who also managed somehow to sneak into the international market on his own and he escapes most of the potential bad publicilty which can be done to the guys if they reach out for an opinion)