This!!!!!!!!!!!
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yeah,spot on,jb needs to let his musicians fully use their creativity and not forcing them to stick to  bcbg/zaiko identity for sebene and tchatcho for rumba
the guitarists especially a guy like patou has proven he can play diffefrently in the few songs he was allowed to,so why sticking with bcbg identity which is kinda old school ALL THE TIME

yeah,spot on,jb needs to let his musicians fully use their creativity and not forcing them to stick to  bcbg/zaiko identity for sebene and tchatcho for rumba
the guitarists especially a guy like patou has proven he can play diffefrently in the few songs he was allowed to,so why sticking with bcbg identity which is kinda old school ALL THE TIME

Excellent analysis archos. JB needs to let the guys reach their full potential, he forces them to play by the book, Patou tries to spice things up but I must say he seems to have lost the steam too, he's not really meant to be at a band like BCBG, if that guy were to join Maison Mere he would shock rhumba lovers with his guitar works.

for me both groups have fallen apart artistically for a long period, I don't see why there is so much worry for BCBG they released quel est ton probleme which a success and the generique was very good along with good songs of sunda bass, segiun and genta whats the worry. Wenge Musica Maison Mere since temoignage has fell apart big time more than BCBG especially with depature of flamme kapaya artistically they have not been great the malewa albums and temps present were poor noticeably the sound of temps present they haven't impressed not even with a rumba-sebene song the end products are just poor

What is killing these bands is the many rhumbas they do against the number of sebene songs,they are all failing. The current arrangement of sebene/generiques is also poor, too much coupe decalle and forklore.

<cite>@Sylvester said:</cite>
What is killing these bands is the many rhumbas they do against the number of sebene songs,they are all failing. The current arrangement of sebene/generiques is also poor, too much coupe decalle and forklore.

I beg to disagree DJ SLY, who's gona dance all the time? listen to Wera's sebenes they all go for not less than 16 minutes with very tight and faster rhythm! who at the age of 30 and above gona dance to that kind of music. To me rhumba is not bad so long as it well arranged.  and again I wanted to say to whoever can tell Wera to stop dancing like 20 year old boy and just behave like the boss just like Koffi does most of the time. He is old now to dance too much.

The problem these days is the dream having young ones that one day they will go solo. By this, they want a song each in an album to showcase their thing and that can only be done through a slow track with little contribution from other group members. The album then suffers......

I  would  have loved to see Kibangu battle Young Makaba...

<cite>@KAISARI said:</cite>
I  would  have loved to see Kibangu battle Young Makaba...

No one will ever beat Kimbabgu unless Flam....I mean in Maison Mere....

I  would  have loved to see Kibangu battle Young Makaba...

Impossible task, when Kimbangu was at Maison Mere, the chap you call young Makaba was either on mi-solo or rhythm if Kimbangu was present,that should tell you a lot about who the real soloist was. It was the same even with Japonais and Kapaya, Kapaya forced Werra to push Japonais to rhythm as clearly Kapaya was more powerful on solo, the same happened when Viva La Musica soloist Thierry Mogratana joined Maison Mere, he was stuck on mi-solo and only played as soloist when Kapaya was absent and only on a couple of songs on each of the albums released during his time at Maison Mere.

Arc En Ciel or Petit Makaba has now caught up with the style that Kapaya and other great soloists set as standards at the band but he is miles behind Kimbangu and the likes of Christian Bombole who went straight to the number one spot as lead soloists in their time at Maison Mere.

When I pointed out that Young Makaba would  knock out the dancing soloist you guys were making the same noise; Flesh Ingeta will shut y'all up. lead guitar in Zamba has never sounded any better, that's what look out for nowadays.

When I pointed out that Young Makaba would  knock out the dancing soloist you guys were making the same noise; Flesh Ingeta will shut y'all up. lead guitar in Zamba has never sounded any better, that's what look out for nowadays.

Which dancing soloist?
You're trying to compare a soloist who only started recording last year to seasoned and much more experienced soloists. Yes, Arc en Ciel knows how to play lead but Maison Mere has had better soloists, there's nothing new Arc En Ciel is bringing to Maison Mere, all thes songs he's been playing and learning on were recorded by great soloists who have moved on, bring this debate when he's recorded 3 albums!

You rumbled the same about Kimbangu and every key member of Maisonmere only to change your tune after their exodus. The dancing soloist is Japonais.

You rumbled the same about Kimbangu and every key member of Maisonmere only to change your tune after their exodus. The dancing soloist is Japonais.

Probably in your dreams.
Am the person who told you that Kimbangu has nothing to prove, he proved his worth as a true soloist when he was with Bill. If I recall well, I think you are the fella who said Arc En Ciel made Kimbangu to run away yet Arc En Ciel was restricted to rhythm and mi-solo throughout the time Kimbangu was at Maison Mere.
I have said it and I repeat, Kimbangu whose idol is Flamme Kapaya and Flamme Kapaya himself have the same style and make slight mistakes when they play because they want to play the notes really fast and no one else touches them. On Christian Bombole I have always said he's more complete and never makes any silly mistakes just like Patou Solo,these two play solo effortlessly and crisp clear. I have also said Japonais Maladi/Maladji and Maitre Ficarre have the same style which is old skool.

That Arc En Ciel chap you say is good is only trying to play to the standards left by other great soloists who have left Maison Mere, he's a good soloist but cannot match Kimbangu and Kapaya.

As for rumbling about other key members of Maison Mere, I really have no clue what you're on about, I am one person who follows all the bands and I have my own favourite musicians within certain bands for instance I know in Maison Mere that there are excellent singers like Miel,Eboa,Merlin Bouton and Café Roum and there also some good singers like Taddet, Deplik and others and I also don't hide the fact that Werrason himself is a shit singer!!!!

exactly kimbangu proved his talent with bill, and got a bigger name with werra,just like christian before
kimbangu left a mark for ever in maison mere in just one year and half whereas makaba bikorino arc en ciel is one his third year as the lead soloist and is yet to make a strong statement of his talent
maybe in ingeta it happens,wait and see