Author Topic: BILL CLINTON VS FALLY IPUPA  (Read 6443 times)

SLY PAPA NA KEVIN on: March 14, 2015, 16:58

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Archos, i know some of F'Victeams' animation and dances on their album Libré Parcours have previously been done by Bill Kalondji so what's going on here?
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archos #1 on: March 14, 2015, 17:10

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 its a simple similarity  of melody,bill is saying simba coté oyo soki osimbi té...on the side of fally's they are saying simba mboka oyo,kambaka mboka oyo which is  inspired from an old song of praise for mobutu
same for ya bill akeyi nsango and on the other side dicap awelisaka té both again inspired of old songs of praise

SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #2 on: March 14, 2015, 17:56

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its a simple similarity  of melody,bill is saying simba coté oyo soki osimbi té...on the side of fally's they are saying simba mboka oyo,kambaka mboka oyo which is  inspired from an old song of praise for mobutu
same for ya bill akeyi nsango and on the other side dicap awelisaka té both again inspired of old songs of praise
Thanx for that clarification,would i be right to say Fally's atalukus were inspired Bill's work on Fukushima so that borrowed from the same old song? and when  he says ''tembe esili'' at the end of the sebene is that a shot at his rivals including Ferre not Bill right?
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archos #3 on: March 14, 2015, 18:09

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its difficult to say if they were inspired from bill since there is no proof they know that part in the first place lol but both were definitely inspired from the old song in different ways
 i think the guy who made that video did so because of the melody,then there are cases of exact similarity word for word like the one of mutshiribara, or the song of tyson and the one of chai for example
 another example of this style of both artists using a similar inspiration is the animation "azala nde ye moko" of fally's identité and of brigade whereas it came  from a religious song they just replaced Jesus and a couple of words by their names
tembe esili is mainly for those saying fally's group was full of poor musicians or that he never promotes them
but then it also goes of course indirectly for ferre

SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #4 on: March 14, 2015, 18:27

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princesab #5 on: March 15, 2015, 03:37

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All make music because they have listened to music.

But why make something similar , Please agree with SLY : "atalukus were inspired Bill's work on..........."

See this is my reason. Why did Cindy Latin (Ex Quatier Latin) sing Bolingo Ekoli after Brigade's Sima Ekoli?

It you who told us a story of origin of Ndombolo,, right?

Who created Kisanola then? Why werra took the hit on it? Why didn't we hear it with Mpiana and instead hear it with Koffi.

THEY WERE INSPIRED BY BILL and because (true or false) they know and old rythm, they used it.

archos #6 on: March 15, 2015, 07:37

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lol that much questions at the same time.... i will say this,kisanola came from streets,jb also did it but a bit differently
the reasons why i am often skeptical at x have copied y especially from muisicians of  a more or less same generation are simple
either both artist take something old and twist,either its the religious inspiration,either they are sold same parts
otherwise,the similarities like the one found in the video,we can list thousands of that type with almost same rhythm almost same lyrics
quartier latin's atalakus did bolingo ekoli for the simple reason that sima ekoli was banned and both brigade and koffi's atalaku copied it from brazza
this issue of who copied who is too complex to use personal feelings on it, i always take distance on it to analyse well
we can bring thousands of example of things done by completely unknown groups which are also found in big groups
there are the factors i mentioned above but there are also  a lot of coincidence
if you take 20  congolese albums,in all of them you will have at very least one song or one beat of guitar you seem to hear in all them  and especially in terms of animation its likely to have parts who sound the same regardless of who potentially copied who,its just that some music tunes are extremely common and happen to be repeated
to go with my argument,listen to fally's toi et moi and his group's generique 3 played by tyson,i am almost certain you will find minimum one similarity,did they copy themselves?
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KAISARI #7 on: March 15, 2015, 12:45

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What's clear on all this is that Kin tends to.borrow a lot from Brazza.
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archos #8 on: March 15, 2015, 12:51

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What's clear on all this is that Kin tends to.borrow a lot from Brazza.

indeed especially in terms of dances, over half of the dances we've seen in albums in the last 10 years or i'd even go back to koyimbiko days come from them,the only difference is that now they are exploiting their dances themselves aswell,in the  past  a dance would either start in extra zangul or extra international or z1 or patrouille des stars then go viral when used by a group of kinshasa

KAISARI #9 on: March 15, 2015, 13:01

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What's clear on all this is that Kin tends to.borrow a lot from Brazza.

indeed especially in terms of dances, over half of the dances we've seen in albums in the last 10 years or i'd even go back to koyimbiko days come from them,the only difference is that now they are exploiting their dances themselves aswell,in the  past  a dance would either start in extra zangul or extra international or z1 or patrouille des stars then go viral when used by a group of kinshasa
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