Author Topic: OBSERVATIONS FROM THIS VIDEO  (Read 10591 times)

Congomusiclover001 on: August 27, 2015, 16:09

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1. Bill Clinton has nothing to prove to anyone. The guy has been established since day one. He brought animation with him everywhere he was hyping. And he can maintain without Celeo (although, I am not sure if Celeo was already recruited before this concert)

2. Ferre is not an equal of Werra as he so claim in interviews. Without being recruited to Wenge Musica, his current exposure will not be the same. So simply put: he owes Werra his exposure and success. Werra and Adolph really ran the group from what I can see (in this concert).

3. Papy Kakol and Ali Mbonda are the only ones left on the current WMMM. Are they happy with being with Werra or just not motivated to be a part of something new?

4. Japonais Kiyoto should always be revered before Flamme Kapaya. Although Flamme in later years was the face of WMMM, Japonais gave him his footing.

5. I suppose this concert is after the Wenge BCBG 4x4 was broken up. Do all fractions have rights to all the songs at this point? There were a lot of songs from the Pentagone album in this concert. I know the repertoire was limited then. Just wondering.

6. Adolph Dominguez certainly considers himself an equal of Werra at that time. Werra must have been frustrated at that time that Adolph does not consider himself or act as a subordinate. Can someone help me with the story on these two, please.


mvulusi96 #1 on: August 27, 2015, 16:34

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1. Bill Clinton has nothing to prove to anyone. The guy has been established since day one. He brought animation with him everywhere he was hyping. And he can maintain without Celeo (although, I am not sure if Celeo was already recruited before this concert)

2. Ferre is not an equal of Werra as he so claim in interviews. Without being recruited to Wenge Musica, his current exposure will not be the same. So simply put: he owes Werra his exposure and success. Werra and Adolph really ran the group from what I can see (in this concert).

3. Papy Kakol and Ali Mbonda are the only ones left on the current WMMM. Are they happy with being with Werra or just not motivated to be a part of something new?

4. Japonais Kiyoto should always be revered before Flamme Kapaya. Although Flamme in later years was the face of WMMM, Japonais gave him his footing.

5. I suppose this concert is after the Wenge BCBG 4x4 was broken up. Do all fractions have rights to all the songs at this point? There were a lot of songs from the Pentagone album in this concert. I know the repertoire was limited then. Just wondering.

6. Adolph Dominguez certainly considers himself an equal of Werra at that time. Werra must have been frustrated at that time that Adolph does not consider himself or act as a subordinate. Can someone help me with the story on these two, please.



This concert was in Octobre '98 before the release of Force d'Intervation Rapide in november.

Celeo was recuited before Bill Clinton, but Bill Clinton animated in many concert before Intervation Rapide alone, because Celeo had at that time not a BCBG-face. Some memebers of Werra's had an idea of replacing Celeo for another atalaku, but they abondaned that idea later.

Aldophe Domiguez was appointed as president of Wenge Maison Mere by Didier Masela, after the slipt of Wenge 4x4. In he hope that he would not join Wenge BCBG.

archos #2 on: August 27, 2015, 16:52

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genta would have been presented instead of celeo,if he was a tenorist,werra liked both him and bill but did not fancy having two "djuna mumbafu's" as it would not have balance

Congomusiclover001 #3 on: August 27, 2015, 17:01

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genta would have been presented instead of celeo,if he was a tenorist,werra liked both him and bill but did not fancy having two "djuna mumbafu's" as it would not have balance

I think going with the level of success of WMMM, selecting Bill instead of Genta worked out for Werra. Toe to Toe, I think Bill is more creative than Genta.

archos #4 on: August 27, 2015, 17:15

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yes indeed,the biggest strength of the former bill(i say former because for me he has changed a lot in his solo career) was how unpredictable he was
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Congomusiclover001 #5 on: August 27, 2015, 17:21

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This concert was in Octobre '98 before the release of Force d'Intervation Rapide in november.

Celeo was recuited before Bill Clinton, but Bill Clinton animated in many concert before Intervation Rapide alone, because Celeo had at that time not a BCBG-face. Some memebers of Werra's had an idea of replacing Celeo for another atalaku, but they abondaned that idea later.

Aldophe Domiguez was appointed as president of Wenge Maison Mere by Didier Masela, after the slipt of Wenge 4x4. In he hope that he would not join Wenge BCBG.


This always want to make me ask this: Why is Adolphe not as successful as Werra or JB? He seemed to have the qualities of a Leader. What stopped him from reaching higher heights?

shamala #6 on: August 27, 2015, 17:38

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genta would have been presented instead of celeo,if he was a tenorist,werra liked both him and bill but did not fancy having two "djuna mumbafu's" as it would not have balance
Any more news on Genta in WMM?
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archos #7 on: August 27, 2015, 17:52

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genta would have been presented instead of celeo,if he was a tenorist,werra liked both him and bill but did not fancy having two "djuna mumbafu's" as it would not have balance
Any more news on Genta in WMM?

he did not stay for long he was mainly at the rehearsals at werra's house,he was backed by his friend ferre and also didier masela  but like i said earlier him and bill had a similar profile when werra prefered guys who compliment each other,like in most groups

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From the onset of Wenge its clear Werra was the equivalent of an underboss.
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SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #9 on: August 27, 2015, 18:26

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1. Bill Clinton remains the best in the game no doubt , others doubt him or say he's finished but he rightly answers in his latest generique that '' he cannot finish completely,he comes back afresh all the time like a snake sheds it's old skin to show a new skin.''

2. Ferre says he's an equal of Werrason in the simple sense that he's now an employer of many too so in effect Werrason is now a colleague therefore there must be mutual respect between both of them.

3. Papy Kakol and Ali Mbonda are the only ones left in Maison Mere because it is not easy for an instrumentalist to leave and establish oneself elsewhere,many have moved and that's been the end of them, switching camp is the game played by singers not instrumentalists. Titina at least went to the biggest band at the time but where is he now.

4. Japonais was and still is an excellent and complete guitarist but as for being revered, it's a matter of choice. Yes, Japonais was the face at the time but if you listen to the band's first album, Flamme played on quie a few songs too and his style was completely different that is why on the second album, Flamme was now elevated as lead guitarist and that was the beginning of the end for  Japonais as Flamme brought the sound which was more appealing.

5. Because in Congolese music law doesn't seem to exist, it is okay for any artist or band to sing or cover whatever song they like without giving credit or asking for permission for instance we all know the song Djojo Ngonda is for Maitre Ficarre who had gone with JB in their faction BCBG so the then Wenge Musica Maison Mere which hadn't had a huge repertoire or discography found it okay to play whatever song they did in the previous band Wenge Musica BCBG 4X4, even JB Mpiana and his BCBG could equally have done the same,they could have played Adolphe,Masela or Werrason's composition but for pride, to date,you will never hear BCBG playing a song by any of the other former leaders of Wenge Musica except for JB's songs.

6. Adolph Dominguez certainly was an equal of Werra at that time and so was Masela the founding father or Chairman of the original band. Christian Mwepu the other bassist also shown in the same video also said in interviews that they started the band from scratch with him also being responsible for recruitment along with Ferre and others. Ferre was very young at the time that is why he couldn't rub shoulders with the likes of Werra and Adolphe but he played an instrumental role in building the band and was the face of the band having been the lead singer so even Werra owes his success to Ferre and the others because Werrason did not single handedly found Wenge Musica Maison Mere,he was stuck like Adolphe and Masela and they had to rely on the new musicians at the time including Japonais himself as JB Mpiana took almost the entire band including the elite like Blaise Bula and Makaba who was the Artistic Director and made Wenge was because of his artistic work. Werra,Adolphe and Masela were left with completely nothing because even the instruments were taken by JB and company. Werrason used underhand methods to emerge as lone leader, the story is very clear.

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SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #11 on: August 27, 2015, 19:04

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Jdog, put across your point clearly,why did you delete your earlier post, i was actually quoting it. You were saying ''someone is talking about Maison Mere but one is talking about the band of the elders meaning Wenge Musica? It didn't make sense at all,what were you trying to say?
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Jdog #12 on: August 27, 2015, 19:05

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Jdog, put across your point clearly,why did you delete your earlier post, i was actually quoting it. You were saying ''someone is talking about Maison Mere but one is talking about the band of the elders meaning Wenge Musica? It didn't make sense at all,what were you trying to say?
Never mind, no need for that.
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SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #13 on: August 27, 2015, 19:08

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Jdog, put across your point clearly,why did you delete your earlier post, i was actually quoting it. You were saying ''someone is talking about Maison Mere but one is talking about the band of the elders meaning Wenge Musica? It didn't make sense at all,what were you trying to say?
Never mind, no need for that.
Oh well, at least you came back to your senses and saw that there was no need for it in the first place,well done.
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shamala #14 on: August 28, 2015, 06:20

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5. Because in Congolese music law doesn't seem to exist, it is okay for any artist or band to sing or cover whatever song they like without giving credit or asking for permission for instance we all know the song Djojo Ngonda is for Maitre Ficarre who had gone with JB in their faction BCBG so the then Wenge Musica Maison Mere which hadn't had a huge repertoire or discography found it okay to play whatever song they did in the previous band Wenge Musica BCBG 4X4, even JB Mpiana and his BCBG could equally have done the same,they could have played Adolphe,Masela or Werrason's composition but for pride, to date,you will never hear BCBG playing a song by any of the other former leaders of Wenge Musica except for JB's songs.


Well answered. I had always wondered why BCBG doesn't play some classics . However I really like "Danico" ( who was the composer?).
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