Congo Vibes
Music => Congolese Music => Topic started by: archos on September 03, 2017, 19:05
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https://youtu.be/ibJ5dAVvP1Q
few days ago i watched an interview of sam tshintu and he said after they had recorded major part of loi they went back on african tour then koffi went back to europe with pathy bass,tyson, the two atalakus,champion,do akongo,and apparently most of the rest did not even know what the generique would sound like and he remembered that he was at home when he heard it on radio the first time and he had goosebumps,he knew quartier latin being a big group would produce quality stuff but did not imagine it would be that good
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And now it's the most famous générique of all time. Wow, it's the nearing the 20th anniversary. The acoustics is still impeccable
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Wait that's weird cause didn't they do the chorus in the song like in the beginning the middle and end?
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probably cut and paste then,the beginning sounds different from the "kotcho kotcho"
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This is the generique that put ndombolo crie and dance on the map(my opinion) around Africa...I don't know why Mboshi doesn't get the praise he deserves for animating QL ndombolo which in my opinion is the best compare to wenge and the rest.
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This is the generique that put ndombolo crie and dance on the map(my opinion) around Africa...I don't know why Mboshi doesn't get the praise he deserves for animating QL ndombolo which in my opinion is the best compare to wenge and the rest.
I know right people always say tutu is the best to animate ndombolo but I've always preferred mboshi I guess it's because congolese music is wenge bias
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This is the generique that put ndombolo crie and dance on the map(my opinion) around Africa...I don't know why Mboshi doesn't get the praise he deserves for animating QL ndombolo which in my opinion is the best compare to wenge and the rest.
I know right people always say tutu is the best to animate ndombolo but I've always preferred mboshi I guess it's because congolese music is wenge bias
i never once danced to wenge ndombolo....growing up in the late 90s, Loi ndombolo was the only ndombolo people outside congo preferred
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lol, true ndombolo is shaking you ass. The chant was catchy, but if you were doing it literally and by yourself, it's a bit suspect :D
I remember Wemba's best friend, Colonel Jagger saying sapeurs and gentleman should never be caught dancing ndombolo, that's why Viva la musica never picked it up.
This is the generique that put ndombolo crie and dance on the map(my opinion) around Africa...I don't know why Mboshi doesn't get the praise he deserves for animating QL ndombolo which in my opinion is the best compare to wenge and the rest.
I know right people always say tutu is the best to animate ndombolo but I've always preferred mboshi I guess it's because congolese music is wenge bias
Yea, even when I ready biographies and history around the web, people like to give Clan Wenge credit for cries and dances they actually did not create. Kitisela ya mata (used years before Pentagone), Ndombolo, Moto, etc... they're all dances they helped popularized in Kinshasa -> Africa
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the case of koffi's ndombolo and some dances him koffi and wenge made more popular is pretty much the same,the one who gets it in the right spotlight gets the most praise like koffi with mandundu and wenge for plenty of radja kula stuff
loi is the perfect example it was much much more promoted and popular in africa than the ndombolo of feux de l'amour
but maybe in DRC people associate it more to wenge because wenge was playing it a lot prior to album release while koffi kind of popped up with it and bang
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the case of koffi's ndombolo and some dances him koffi and wenge made more popular is pretty much the same,the one who gets it in the right spotlight gets the most praise like koffi with mandundu and wenge for plenty of radja kula stuff
loi is the perfect example it was much much more promoted and popular in africa than the ndombolo of feux de l'amour
but maybe in DRC people associate it more to wenge because wenge was playing it a lot prior to album release while koffi kind of popped up with it and bang
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That reminds of the question that has been bothering me for some time now. Who started the Ndombolo animation? Coz I was surprised to hear it from Koffi's Loi... Coz think I first heard it from Jb's Feux de L'Amour
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Koffi made many cut and paste generics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j62kpQQ6J3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ_S-UBoTrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQfqi1xRNbw
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I remember a show in Nairobi by Koffi in the 90's where he introduced the Dance style ( not the cries) and he explained that the dance was developed by street kids in Kinshasa known as shegues and he added that he was the King of shegues....
At that time his favourite dancer was Rosette, and he paraded her dancing Ndombolo to the audience for quite some time.
Later we saw Wenge Musica BCBG singing the Ndombolo Generique.
Not sure who was first but the dance was here before the BCBG Ndombolo Craze. Of course when Loi came in, everybody went nuts but thats another story!!
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it came in quartier latin through bouro who is one of those who participated in conception of the dance, prior to quartier latin bouro was living with j b when the animation came then was about to be associated with the dance proof is koffi did ndombolo on wakeup because wenge refused to allow caludji to fly to europe just for studio when they needed him in concerts
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I believe it was koffi who actually did it first himself in wake up, then mbochi and bouro came with the moves only in ultimatum and mbochi confirmed it in Loi. But the wenge part got more credit because feux de l'amour named the generique and was more danceable. You can feel the difference between both group way of exhibiting the dance moves. QL was more bouro robotic way and wenge was way smooth and catchy. Y'all should remember that QL never played a ndombolo seben style until they decided to change it and made it their own in Loi. Wenge started the ndombolo semben style in pentagone , from the dancing to the way of playing the music with the coming of caludji . You can fell the difference between new Image and pentagone, the battery style is not the same ... anyway . To me i will the credit goes to wenge for being the real creator of the ndombolo and koffi for taking the crie to anothe level .
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makaba who was one of the arrangers of album requested tutu to fly back to europe(himself did not get tutu on pile ou face for similar reasons) as he had returned with werra and co while makaba used jb ekokota and titina
i believe even the producer coco rubenga or somebody like that confirmed it in a long interview that it was only after failing to get tutu that koffi did it
but like i said in the past a lot that's an animation mboshi knew,so did alino biongo of zaiko mboshi even did alino a shoutout on generique all the promise musica guy knew it i am sure even marchouse or his teacher coreen can talk about it(same for bilolo and some other animation that tutu promoted more in 4X4)
exactly wenge edged closer to ndombolo rhythm first lol thinking about it because of feux de l'amour generique people never belittle japonais' presence in wenge musica while ferre and seguin have to constantly remind people they were in wenge aswell for the last 20 months or so
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Yeah I've never danced the Wenge version and plus the one did by Mboshi is better but Tutu gets the recognition because Congolese music is Wenge bias.
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Yeah I've never danced the Wenge version and plus the one did by Mboshi is better but Tutu gets the recognition because Congolese music is Wenge bias.
true that
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plus the one did by Mboshi is better but Tutu gets the recognition because Congolese music is Wenge bias.
That's what I said ;D ???;D
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exactly loi is a better generique no wonder loi was more known abroad that ndombolo which was lets say a hit in ivory coast in cameroon and a bit in east africa while loi reached much more countries
i have few months ago meet an young ivorian comedian and he said you congolese are the kings,when i was at school i became the school's star just because i was the one who could sing loi the best and at end of class most of the students would run and gather around him and ask me to sing loi and because of that i was getting a lot of things for free at school
quite funny the impact a song can have
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I PREFER THE NDOMBOLO IN JB's album Feux de l'a it is on point
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No one has answered my question. Which Album came out first? Wake up, or JB's Feaux de l'amour or even Loi? am kind of mixed up someone to clear me
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No one has answered my question. Which Album came out first? Wake up, or JB's Feaux de l'amour or even Loi? am kind of mixed up someone to clear me
Wake up came out first then feux de l'amour then loi
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hmmmm I think that the succes of Ndombolo Ya Solo and Loi were equal. It's only that people forgot the generique of Feux de l'Amour easy, like that of Defao from Sala Noki, who were also a huge succes in Africa.The succes of that generique made Wenge touring whole Africa and filling big halls and stadiums there. The succes of Loi was like a confirmation of the Ndombolo-dance dominating Africa and DRC. Ndombolo ya Solo was an anthem in Africa. Unfortunately they didn't record a videoclip, which make people who didn't witness that era doubt if it was really a huge succes in Africa. While the videoclips of Loi and Sala Noki worked in advantage of Defao & Koffi. Because it made them getting nominated at the AfriCar Music Awards and Kora Awards '98, which Koffi won and being promoted on the French diaspora tv-channel MCM Africa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb5HoH2WNBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjeGWlUFYM0
(https://s26.postimg.org/rkqga73nd/Koffi_Olomide_98.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s26.postimg.org/3jom5uv5l/MCM_AFRICA_1996.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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No one has answered my question. Which Album came out first? Wake up, or JB's Feaux de l'amour or even Loi? am kind of mixed up someone to clear me
Wake up came out first then feux de l'amour then loi
Wake Up - October 15, 1996
Feux de l'amour - spring/Summer 1997 (if my memory is correct)
Loi - Mid-December/christmas 1997. A late year release, which was in typical Koffi fashion back then, so it was considered a 1998 album.
hmmmm I think that the succes of Ndombolo Ya Solo and Loi were equal.
Ndeko I have to disagree with you there, Loi went Continental Africa, Caribbean and Europe in terms of circulation, or "viral" as people say now. Back then I kept getting shocked hearing it being played on stations and shows I never expected. My Haitian and Antilles friends were obsessed with the song.
Ndombolo ya solo didn't quite tap into outside markets in the same manner, but in central Africa & Poto... I agree that the two were equal in popularity.
Yea regarding General Defao, people forget how popular he was, especially in Kin and East/West Africa. Sala Noki was right next to Feux de L'amour and Loi. And special recognition that Sala Noki album was recorded in Kinshasa and not in a high-tech studio in Paris.
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For sure JB started his laziness long time ago. Some of his classics went without Video. Why did this man not do a video for Ndombolo?
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For sure JB started his laziness long time ago. Some of his classics went without Video. Why did this man not do a video for Ndombolo?
For that, blame producer, Simon SIPE. Most of the biggest hits from that label went without video clips. He wasn't making the investment
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Loi, certainly Koffi's most powerful before Effrakatta but both still force people on the dancefloor en masse today.
Now with those arguments about the source of the animation and dance ndombolo,it is actually useless!! By now all experienced critics should know the actual source of animation and dances in Congolese music. Who releases a dance and animation first can claim ownership just for banter but the source is the streets!
If you watch concert dvd's or even listen to less popular albums of back then, you may be surprised to hear ndombolo,ndombolo before it even came out on JB's Feux de l'amour ,Koffi's Loi and Defao's Sala Noki albums even to date, we still hear shegues claiming ownership of some animation and dances by major bands. Right now,we have a shegue who sells at markets,he is doing animation and the likes of Bill and others are being found with him,next we will hear his animation being done by bands because it's proving popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJE9B21E51E
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For sure JB started his laziness long time ago. Some of his classics went without Video. Why did this man not do a video for Ndombolo?
For that, blame producer, Simon SIPE. Most of the biggest hits from that label went without video clips. He wasn't making the investment
exactly and jb himself admitted he did not know clips would become that vital for promotion so he did not put pressure on simon for clips except that improvised clip of the feux de l'amour song which he did when he want reunited wth pascal poba,mosaka and papa lutumba to ask advice for the conception of omba
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Loi, certainly Koffi's most powerful before Effrakatta but both still force people on the dancefloor en masse today.
Now with those arguments about the source of the animation and dance ndombolo,it is actually useless!! By now all experienced critics should know the actual source of animation and dances in Congolese music. Who releases a dance and animation first can claim ownership just for banter but the source is the streets!
If you watch concert dvd's or even listen to less popular albums of back then, you may be surprised to hear ndombolo,ndombolo before it even came out on JB's Feux de l'amour ,Koffi's Loi and Defao's Sala Noki albums even to date, we still hear shegues claiming ownership of some animation and dances by major bands. Right now,we have a shegue who sells at markets,he is doing animation and the likes of Bill and others are being found with him,next we will hear his animation being done by bands because it's proving popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJE9B21E51E
spot on ,this guy's work will surely be used its really refreshing to see a guy like him getting some hype hopefully he can build some longterm thing for himself like many who popped out of nowhere and managed to establish themselves
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This is the generique that put ndombolo crie and dance on the map(my opinion) around Africa...I don't know why Mboshi doesn't get the praise he deserves for animating QL ndombolo which in my opinion is the best compare to wenge and the rest.
I know right people always say tutu is the best to animate ndombolo but I've always preferred mboshi I guess it's because congolese music is wenge bias
i never once danced to wenge ndombolo....growing up in the late 90s, Loi ndombolo was the only ndombolo people outside congo preferred
This is well said........Mboshi gave and did justice to the cry and yet he received the least recognition amongst all the atalakus of his time
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Loi, certainly Koffi's most powerful before Effrakatta but both still force people on the dancefloor en masse today.
Now with those arguments about the source of the animation and dance ndombolo,it is actually useless!! By now all experienced critics should know the actual source of animation and dances in Congolese music. Who releases a dance and animation first can claim ownership just for banter but the source is the streets!
If you watch concert dvd's or even listen to less popular albums of back then, you may be surprised to hear ndombolo,ndombolo before it even came out on JB's Feux de l'amour ,Koffi's Loi and Defao's Sala Noki albums even to date, we still hear shegues claiming ownership of some animation and dances by major bands. Right now,we have a shegue who sells at markets,he is doing animation and the likes of Bill and others are being found with him,next we will hear his animation being done by bands because it's proving popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJE9B21E51E
Personally I put V12 on top of the pile. The best followed by Loi and Effrakata in that order
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My last point about those fellas saying there is a bias towards Wenge, you must be reminded that it's not just bias but influence Wenge had. It is Wenge that toppled Zaiko from the top and woke Koffi up, Koffi started competing against Wenge and recruited an ataluku who sounded like Roberto Enkokota. In Brazza, Extra Musica too copied Wenge. Apart from Franco's TPOK Jazz, Zaiko and Viva, it's Wenge which has been flying the flag high for Congo no wonder Koffi has been at war with all Wenge leaders since time immemorial. Even when you look on the market today,it's clan Wenge dominating,beside Koffi himself,the only other successful artist from Clan Quartier Latin is Fally ipupa so far but Wenge has JB,Werra and young Ferre leading consistently and below them,we have new younger artists from their bands aking it big like Fabregas, Robinio Mundibu and others.
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Personally I put V12 on top of the pile. The best followed by Loi and Effrakata in that order
I see,personally, Loi and Effrakatta are on top especially coz of the balance between sebene and rhumbas, V12 which was a less popular album was only good coz of the soothing rhumba songs.
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I got you big Sly..you have been missing in action of recent man. You took a sabbatical leave? Mwaile kwisa tata? We missed you lol