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Jdog on: September 03, 2014, 22:59

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He says that he was very surprised that it was Chikito out of all people who left. But Ferre says that he will stay Ferre the one who brought him in and he will stay Ferre with Chikito.
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Mwana Nsalu #1 on: September 04, 2014, 02:57

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he shouldn't be surprised. the industry needs new blood. the same 4 acts making all of the noise just isn't going to cut anymore. these young dudes are getting their lil training and leaving because they have ideas. the music is changing.

EMOVICTEAM #2 on: September 04, 2014, 08:03

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he shouldn't be surprised. the industry needs new blood. the same 4 acts making all of the noise just isn't going to cut anymore. these young dudes are getting their lil training and leaving because they have ideas. the music is changing.
We need people like you here. I also dont go for the idea of artists overstaying in a band. We need new blood.

SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #3 on: September 04, 2014, 09:39

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he shouldn't be surprised. the industry needs new blood. the same 4 acts making all of the noise just isn't going to cut anymore. these young dudes are getting their lil training and leaving because they have ideas. the music is changing.
Off course he had to be surprised because unlike others, he confirms that he treated Chikito like his own son,gave him more than anyone else, he was well paid and by the time he was leaving he had two cars and he always was on the list of those travelling with Ferre so it came as a surprise but not shock as he puts it in his own words, it always happens in music just like he left Werrason in shock. He says he understands they all have to move on and wishes him the best.
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SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #4 on: September 04, 2014, 09:49

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We need people like you here. I also dont go for the idea of artists overstaying in a band. We need new blood.
Do you know why TPOK Jazz was the most successful band ever? it's because unlike what others like Koffi and Werrason do, Luambo Makiadi got fresh talent quite alright but still respect his old guards and he fused all the new starts and old guards together to produce exceptionally good music.
When you have too many new musicians in a band, it's like you're an academy where you're constantly training people and the quality of music is compromised, that is the trap that has befallen Koffi Olomide and Werrason, the high turnover of staff. Look at the numbers that have gone there and left and remain in oblivion,is that good for music? we had great musicians like Bouro Mpela,Sam Tshintu, Aimelia Lias, Serge Mabiala, Modogo, Fofo Le Collegian, Binda Bass, Flamme Kapaya and many more from Quartier Latin and Wenge Maison Mere just struggling to make a mark on the market,i don't think it's good for music.

I have so much respect for the likes of Papa Wemba, JB Mpiana, Verkys Kiamuangana and Franco, great band leaders, Verkys and Franco made musicians and even produced them in-house and helped them with instruments. JB Mpiana and Papa Wemba having been helping their young ones too and even recorded on their boys musicians,that's how it should be not leaving abruptly and going on to become enemies.
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EMOVICTEAM #5 on: September 04, 2014, 10:08

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We need people like you here. I also dont go for the idea of artists overstaying in a band. We need new blood.
Do you know why TPOK Jazz was the most successful band ever? it's because unlike what others like Koffi and Werrason do, Luambo Makiadi got fresh talent quite alright but still respect his old guards and he fused all the new starts and old guards together to produce exceptionally good music.
When you have too many new musicians in a band, it's like you're an academy where you're constantly training people and the quality of music is compromised, that is the trap that has befallen Koffi Olomide and Werrason, the high turnover of staff. Look at the numbers that have gone there and left and remain in oblivion,is that good for music? we had great musicians like Bouro Mpela,Sam Tshintu, Aimelia Lias, Serge Mabiala, Modogo, Fofo Le Collegian, Binda Bass, Flamme Kapaya and many more from Quartier Latin and Wenge Maison Mere just struggling to make a mark on the market,i don't think it's good for music.

I have so much respect for the likes of Papa Wemba, JB Mpiana, Verkys Kiamuangana and Franco, great band leaders, Verkys and Franco made musicians and even produced them in-house and helped them with instruments. JB Mpiana and Papa Wemba having been helping their young ones too and even recorded on their boys musicians,that's how it should be not leaving abruptly and going on to become enemies.

Point taken but for JB Mpiana, Sly, you honestly think its been good for him all these years?......I do not think so. JB has failed to deliver a killer album since internet because of keeping his band on auto pilot due to non-functioning elements and I cant give out names as I will sound monotonous. This is why Balle De Match is long awaited because of fresh blood from singers to instrumentalists. Franco analysis holds a little bit of facts but that was 50/40 years ago when competition was between two bands only. Today, you have many bands competing for the same space and you cant risk being complacent with band members who cant bring in any new thing. Lets call a spade a spade, JB has failed in that area and we have to condemn him. Werrason did well after the post wenge split with fresh talented blood and when he had the brutal breakup of marquis maison mere, he could not fall hard on the ground because of the new artists he recruited, its only now that he has no formula but over time, while trying out many, he will fix the puzzle.

SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #6 on: September 04, 2014, 10:23

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Point taken but for JB Mpiana, Sly, you honestly think its been good for him all these years?......I do not think so. JB has failed to deliver a killer album since internet because of keeping his band on auto pilot due to non-functioning elements and I cant give out names as I will sound monotonous. This is why Balle De Match is long awaited because of fresh blood from singers to instrumentalists. Franco analysis holds a little bit of facts but that was 50/40 years ago when competition was between two bands only. Today, you have many bands competing for the same space and you cant risk being complacent with band members who cant bring in any new thing. Lets call a spade a spade, JB has failed in that area and we have to condemn him. Werrason did well after the post wenge split with fresh talented blood and when he had the brutal breakup of marquis maison mere, he could not fall hard on the ground because of the new artists he recruited, its only now that he has no formula but over time, while trying out many, he will fix the puzzle.
I agree with you that JB's music has not been the same but he's not an exception.

The major problem JB had which is in the past was his idea of keeping fresh blood in reserve instead of unleashing those who were already ''ripe'' and that is what cost him, imagine if he had unleashed the first PPU boys like Didi Kalombo and company earlier instead of using them as curtain raisers for his Kinshasa show. He did well to take them to Bercy but then he abandoned them in Europe to return to Kinshasa urgently for a reason which has remained a secret so we don't know what happened.
 JB later created another reserve band but once more kept them as curtain raisers and finally unleashed them on the album Kipe Ya Yo but remember it's not all of them he gave chance to, there are some in the reserve team who still haven't had chance,some are even better than the first team musicians like Rio,JDL etc, JB's failure was in not knowing how to arrange his music and manage with the staff he's got in reserve and the main team. One thing I keep saying is that JB Mpiana is not just boss to the likes of Kibens, JDL etc, they are his personal friends and help him with composition and arrangement of music that's why he just can't get rid of them but we now know that he's changed his ways, he's now promoting more of the newer musicians and they are the ones appearing on tv regularly and are sharing the stage with older musicians like JDL and Kibens.

As to Internet by the last good album by JB I don't agree with you,Kipe Ya Yo was good and Soyons Serieux was good though could have been better arranged, the maxi single Quel est ton problem in my opinion has been the best after the album TH as to me the album Internet was average though it was quite successful especially with hit songs like Jeannette.
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archos #7 on: September 04, 2014, 10:33

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the reason jb rushed back to kin is that when bokul was arrested all big names were in high danger with police( werra and koffi even both did one day under police custody with their groups),the ngulu affair like they called it

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the reason jb rushed back to kin is that when bokul was arrested all big names were in high danger with police( werra and koffi even both did one day under police custody with their groups),the ngulu affair like they called it
Oh yeah, now i remember,he actually had to flee to avoid being detained. So Vieux E also got done, it was rumoured that he's the one who caused all the problems and sold Papa Wemba and JB to schengen police.
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EMOVICTEAM #9 on: September 04, 2014, 11:53

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SLY, you must be kidding right? QETP being the next best after TH?.......tell me which song can even touch the quality of beazodeguem in QETP!! do not overlook what I am saying here. Its the crop of musicians plus what you have said on recording qualities that make an album good. internet had the artists that can make a cd tick....Caludji, Titina, Afande, Biku, Richard Mukena, plus the now mikulis who were useful then. QETP only has the generique, Zed K (Zadio Kongolo) and liberez that stand out, and that's it. Kipe yayo even beats it at sound quality. SS, null and void, only the Generic Mpunda is good (Live version).
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SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #10 on: September 04, 2014, 12:09

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SLY, you must be kidding right? QETP being the next best after TH?.......tell me which song can even touch the quality of beazodeguem in QETP!! do not overlook what I am saying here. Its the crop of musicians plus what you have said on recording qualities that make an album good. internet had the artists that can make a cd tick....Caludji, Titina, Afande, Biku, Richard Mukena, plus the now mikulis who were useful then. QETP only has the generique, Zed K (Zadio Kongolo) and liberez that stand out, and that's it. Kipe yayo even beats it at sound quality. SS, null and void, only the Generic Mpunda is good (Live version).
I am not arguing with you so i respect your opinion too.
In my personal opinion, the maxi single Quel est ton problem is the best so far as every song including the generique was well executed, the whole album had that killer punch, there is no dull song and it went straight to the top, there is no song to skip on that maxi single. On Kipe Yayo, there are a couple of songs to skip and on Soyons Serieux it's the same case, quite a few to skip on it just like on the album internet which was excellent but not up to scratch that is why it was really popular compared to Titanic or even TH.
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Mwana Nsalu #11 on: September 04, 2014, 13:29

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he shouldn't be surprised. the industry needs new blood. the same 4 acts making all of the noise just isn't going to cut anymore. these young dudes are getting their lil training and leaving because they have ideas. the music is changing.
Off course he had to be surprised because unlike others, he confirms that he treated Chikito like his own son,gave him more than anyone else, he was well paid and by the time he was leaving he had two cars and he always was on the list of those travelling with Ferre so it came as a surprise but not shock as he puts it in his own words, it always happens in music just like he left Werrason in shock. He says he understands they all have to move on and wishes him the best.

indeed. like any child they must spread their wings and do their own thing eventually. i mean he can be surprised he's allowed his feelings lol but it was more of a figure of speech when i said he shouldn't be surprised. the way bands are set up now a days is becoming obsolete and the members of these bands are beginning to realize that. chikito was treated well but perhaps being under ferre's wing is the reason why he has recognized his own potential to become his own artist and get his own ideas out.
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SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #12 on: September 04, 2014, 13:47

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chikito was treated well but perhaps being under ferre's wing is the reason why he has recognized his own potential to become his own artist and get his own ideas out.
That boy is not going solo, he's gone to Maison Mere and the whatever he was doing was to cover up his act and make it seem like he first went solo, they all do that. Basically there is no improvement in his career by moving to Wenge Maison Mere because he'll still remain an employee, if he went solo i don't think he would have a huge following. All these guys who are successful today were patient and moved on when they were really mature, yes,Ferre and Fally went solo when they matured even in age,it's after many years of learning the trade as Chef d'orchestre's of two of congo's biggest bands,they cut out their own fanbases like Heritier Watanabe is doing currently.
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Mwana Nsalu #13 on: September 04, 2014, 14:18

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chikito was treated well but perhaps being under ferre's wing is the reason why he has recognized his own potential to become his own artist and get his own ideas out.
That boy is not going solo, he's gone to Maison Mere and the whatever he was doing was to cover up his act and make it seem like he first went solo, they all do that. Basically there is no improvement in his career by moving to Wenge Maison Mere because he'll still remain an employee, if he went solo i don't think he would have a huge following. All these guys who are successful today were patient and moved on when they were really mature, yes,Ferre and Fally went solo when they matured even in age,it's after many years of learning the trade as Chef d'orchestre's of two of congo's biggest bands,they cut out their own fanbases like Heritier Watanabe is doing currently.

LMAO aw man i didn't know he was going to another group. that's weird and counter productive. not sure what that's supposed to do for him

SLY PAPA NA KEVIN #14 on: September 04, 2014, 14:44

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LMAO aw man i didn't know he was going to another group. that's weird and counter productive. not sure what that's supposed to do for him
Yeah, like 4 of his former colleagues in Ferre's band he's joined Werrason's band and though not officially presented to the fans, Werra's henchmen have confirmed that he(Chikito) is part of the entourage going to Europe to finalise the album and shoot videos for the new album, they also reported that he will be doing a solo concert at La Zamba which is Werra's own base,what concert can he do on his own, he'll basically just sing all of Ferre's songs just for Werra to try to piss Ferre off. There are several videos showing Werra's henchmen boasting that if necessary they will lure all of Ferre's musicians.
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